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Can you guide me on installing a 3G alternator in my 1985 F-150 that currently has a 2G alternator? Where can I source one?


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Hey there! It’s fantastic to hear you’re diving into the upgrade of your 1985 F-150—going from that old 2G alternator to a 3G is a great choice! You’ll boost your truck’s electrical system, and it’s not too tough to install. So, let’s break it down step by step!

Finding a 3G Alternator

You have a couple of options when it comes to sourcing a 3G alternator.

  1. New Alternator: This is the way to go if you want reliability and warranty. You can find them at most auto parts stores, or check online retailers like RockAuto, Summit Racing, or even Amazon. Make sure you get a 130-amp model for optimal performance.

  2. Junkyard: If you’re looking to save some bucks and enjoy a bit of the thrill of the hunt, check your local junkyard. Just be sure to inspect it carefully for any signs of damage or wear. Sometimes, you can find gems there!

Installation Steps

Here’s a quick rundown on how to install the 3G alternator:

  1. Disconnect the Battery: Safety first! Always disconnect your battery before working on electrical components.

  2. Remove the Old 2G Alternator:

    • Remove the wiring harness from the 2G alternator. You’ll have a couple of connectors to detach.
    • Take off the belt by loosening the tensioner and sliding it off the alternator.
    • Unbolt the alternator from its bracket and remove it.
  3. Get the Right Bracket:

    • The good news is that the 3G alternator often fits right in the original location. However, sometimes you might need a new bracket. There are kits available specifically for swapping to a 3G alternator. You can find these at auto parts stores or online.
  4. Install the New 3G Alternator:

    • Place the 3G alternator in the bracket and bolt it down.
    • Reattach the wiring:
      • Connect the main power wire (usually a large ring terminal) to the B+ terminal.
      • Connect the smaller plug (the stator wire) to the corresponding terminal.
    • If your 3G alternator has an "I" terminal, you may need to run a wire to the ignition switch for proper charging—this is where the fun of learning comes in!
  5. Reattach the Belt: Put the serpentine belt back on and ensure it’s aligned correctly on all pulleys.

  6. Reconnect the Battery: Now that everything is in place, reconnect your battery.

  7. Test It Out: Start your truck and check the voltage at the battery with a multimeter. You should see a solid 13.5 to 14.5 volts while the engine is running.

Additional Tips

  • Wiring Considerations: Sometimes, you might need to modify your wiring a bit; be prepared for that. A wiring diagram can be a lifesaver if you’re unsure.
  • Pulley Compatibility: The 3G alternator may have a different pulley than the 2G. Check that they match up, or you may need to swap pulleys.

Community Resources

As you tackle this project, I recommend checking out the Bullnose Garage YouTube channel for visual guidance! They have some fantastic content that can help you see the process in action.

If you’re looking for further advice or have more questions, feel free to ask! And don’t forget to check out the Bullnose Ford subreddit at reddit.com/r/bullnoseford for some extra community support and tips! Happy wrenching!


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Which vehicles should I search for in a junkyard to find a 3G alternator?

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Great question! If you’re on the hunt for a 3G alternator in a junkyard, you’re looking for specific Ford models from the mid-1990s to early 2000s. Here’s a handy list of vehicles to check out:

Vehicles to Look For:

  1. 1994-2002 Ford F-Series Trucks: This includes the F-150, F-250, and F-350 models. Most will have the 3G alternator.

  2. 1994-2001 Ford Explorer: The early Explorers also commonly featured the 3G alternator.

  3. 1995-2001 Ford Mustang: You might find a 3G in these sporty rides as well.

  4. 1994-1997 Ford Bronco: These classic SUVs are worth a look too.

  5. 1994-1998 Ford Ranger: The smaller Ranger trucks often have the 3G as well.

Quick Tip for Identification:

When you’re scavenging at the junkyard, look for alternators that have the following specifications:

  • A round, clock-style face.
  • The 3G alternator typically has a larger diameter than the 2G and has a single wire connector along with a larger B+ terminal.

If you’re unsure, you can always take a picture of your existing 2G alternator and compare it with what you find. Remember, while you’re at it, check the condition of the alternator as well—look for signs of wear, corrosion, or damage.

Happy hunting, and feel free to ask if you have more questions!

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Is it necessary to upgrade my battery wiring and ground when installing the 3G alternator? What is the typical amperage and wire size for a 3G?

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Absolutely, upgrading your battery wiring and ground is a smart move, especially when you’re swapping in a 3G alternator! A solid electrical system is crucial for ensuring that everything runs smoothly and efficiently, and upgrading those wires can help handle the increased output of the 3G.

Typical Amperage of a 3G Alternator

The 3G alternator typically comes in 130 amps, and some can even push up to 150 amps. This gives you plenty of extra power for accessories, lights, and anything else you might add down the road.

Recommended Wire Sizes

When upgrading your wiring to accommodate the 3G alternator, here are some guidelines:

  1. Battery to Alternator Wire:

    • Wire Size: Use 4 AWG wire. This size will handle the amperage without overheating and ensure efficient charging.
    • Make sure you use high-quality welding cable or battery cable, as they are designed to handle high current.
  2. Ground Wire:

    • Wire Size: Also use 4 AWG wire for the ground; a solid ground is crucial for your alternator and entire electrical system.
    • It’s a good practice to connect the ground directly to the engine block or chassis to minimize resistance.
  3. Battery to Chassis Ground:

    • If you haven’t upgraded this already, consider adding a dedicated grounding strap or wire from the battery to the chassis using 4 AWG as well.

Additional Tips

  • Connector Quality: Use high-quality terminals and connectors to ensure good contact and prevent corrosion.
  • Fuse: Consider adding an inline fuse on the battery wire to protect against electrical shorts. A 175-amp fuse is a good choice for a 3G setup.
  • Routing: Route your wires carefully to avoid chafing against sharp edges or hot components.

Upgrading your battery and ground wiring alongside the alternator swap will help ensure your electrical system is robust and reliable. Plus, who doesn’t love a little extra peace of mind while they’re cruising in their trusty Bullnose?

If you have any more questions or need tips on anything else, just let me know! Happy wrenching!



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351 Windsor Teardown

Published on September 21, 2024

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I have the power. Hello, all right folks, enough of that cheesy nonsense. Ed here, welcome back to Bullnose Garage. Today we’re talking alternators, specifically swapping out the stock 1G alternator for a 3G. As a bonus, I pulled a 3G alternator from my 351 Windsor donor vehicle, and I’ll be using that as a visual aid today.

If you’ve had your truck for a while, especially if you’ve added accessories like lights, new headlights, a better stereo, or maybe an electric fan, you’ve probably noticed that the 1G can struggle to keep up. This is where the 3G comes in. It’s got more power, better reliability, and fewer headaches. So let’s dive into why you’d want to make the switch and how to get it done.

So why do we want to ditch the 1G? Well, the stock 1G alternators from these 1980 to ’86 trucks were fine for their time, but they’ve got a bit of a reputation for being underpowered. They typically put out around 65 amps. It’s okay for a truck back in the ’80s mostly, but once you start adding aftermarket accessories like extra lighting or modern electronics, the 1G just can’t keep up. And then there’s the wiring. The 1G alternators have external regulators and use fusible links, which aren’t the most robust system. The connectors can overheat and melt, and nobody wants that under the hood. It’s like running a garden hose when you really need a fire hose.

Enter the 3G alternator. This upgrade for the mid-’90s is substantial. The 3G alternator is internally regulated, so it ditches that problematic external regulator and fusible link setup. The big deal though is the output. It’s much higher, anywhere from 90 to 130 amps depending on the model. That’s a big leap over the 1G’s 65 amps. What’s great about the 3G is it’s not just more power; it’s more stable power. You’ll get better voltage regulation, which means your truck’s electrical system is happier, especially at idle. With the 1G, your lights might dim or your stereo might cut out when you’re idling at a stoplight. The 3G helps prevent that. And if you’re running a winch or big off-road lights, it’s pretty much a must-have upgrade.

So right here I’ve got the 3G alternator that I pulled for my 351 Windsor donor vehicle. Let’s take a closer look. One thing you notice right away is this connector here. This is the voltage regulator. Unlike the 1G, which had an external regulator mounted on the fender, the 3G has it built right in. Another thing to note is the size. This one here is a 90 AMP version, which is just slightly larger than the 1G but should still fit in the same bracket with no major modifications. If the mounting points are correct, however, this one won’t work directly for a bullnose swap because the mounting ears aren’t correct. This one has three mounting points. What you need is a version with two mounting ears directly offset at the 12:00 and 6:00 positions. This is a side mount alternator, and you’re looking for a pivot mount alternator.

So how do I know this one’s 90 amps? Well, the 90 AMP models like the one I’m holding here have four vent holes in the rib sections on the front. If you’re looking for the higher output 130 amp version, those typically have two vent holes and are physically larger. That means the mounting holes in the 130 amp model are spaced further apart. So depending on your bracket setup, you may need to make adjustments for a proper fit. Also, keep in mind if you’re running a single V belt system, the 130 amp version might not work out. A single V belt can only handle about 100 amps before it starts to slip. So if you want to run the 130 amp alternator, you’ll need to upgrade to either a serpentine belt setup or a dual V belt system to handle that extra resistance.

Speaking of that, if your bullnose is running a V-belt setup like mine, you’ll also need to swap the pulley from the 1G onto the 3G. If the 3G has a serpentine pulley like this one, it’s pretty straightforward. Just remove the nut that holds the pulley onto the 1G, slide the V-belt pulley off, and do the same on the 3G to remove it. If it has a serpentine pulley, you’ll probably need a shim to move the pulley out just a bit so the belt doesn’t rub on the case, but those are pretty inexpensive. You can then pop the V-belt pulley onto the 3G alternator and tighten it down. That way everything stays compatible with your existing belt system.

And lastly, the output terminals. This heavy-duty charge stud here is where your main power connects. If you’re upgrading to a 3G, you want to run a heavier gauge wire from here to your battery or solenoid to handle the higher output. Now the good news is that even with all that that I just said, the swap isn’t too complicated. But like any job, you want to have the right parts and prep work done first. You’ll need the alternator itself, like the one I just showed you, but with the right mounting setup. The 3G alternators we’re looking for came off a bunch of Ford vehicles from the mid-’90s. To help you out, I put together a list of vehicles you can source a 3G alternator from, which I’ll throw up on the screen right now. Take a look at these vehicles. You’re looking at anything from the 1994 to ’95 Mustang, which had a 130 amp alternator, to vehicles like the Ford Taurus, Thunderbird, and even E-Series Vans. Other options include the Lincoln Continental and Mercury Cougar. You can pick these up at junkyards, and they’ll bolt right up to your bullnose with a little bit of wiring work.

Now, like I mentioned before, if you’re running a V-belt in your truck, you’ll also need to make sure you swap the pulleys. Get that done before you start the actual swap. You don’t want to find out that you forgot when you’re trying to wrap a V-belt around a serpentine pulley. That’s no fun. Now, if you’re not interested in sourcing a 3G alternator from a junkyard, there are plenty of aftermarket options available. Companies like PA Performance and Tough Stuff offer brand new 3G alternators that are designed specifically for older Ford trucks, including bullnoses. These aftermarket models often come with higher output ratings too, sometimes over 200 amps, and they’re built to handle modern accessories. And what’s great about going aftermarket is that many of these kits include the upgraded wiring, a pretty install V-belt pulley if you need it, and even instructions on how to make the swap as easy as possible. Now, they do cost a bit more than a junkyard pull, but it’s a solid option if you want peace of mind with new parts and you don’t want the hassle of digging through salvage.

All right, so you’ve got your parts. Time to get the old 1G out of there. First, disconnect the battery. That’s always the first step when you’re working on anything electrical. Then remove the old alternator. There’s usually a couple of bolts holding it to the bracket, and you’ll need to disconnect the wiring harness. Now, I’m not going to get into how to physically remove the alternator in this video. It’s fairly simple, just a couple of bolts, and there are several videos out there that will show you exactly how. It can be a bit of a pain to get down there with a socket, but just keep at it, and you’ll get there eventually.

Once the old alternator is out, bolt the 3G into place. It should fit right into the existing bracket with minimal fuss so long as you have the right model. If it’s a little tight, some folks have had to grind or modify the bracket slightly, but usually it’s nothing major. Now for the wiring, like I mentioned, the 3G has built-in regulation, so you won’t need the external voltage regulator anymore. Ditch that thing. The external regulator is typically mounted on the passenger side fender inside the engine bay. It’s a small rectangular box with a wiring harness plugged into it. You’ll wire up the new alternator using the 3G harness, so make sure you grab that from your donor if you go that route. If you’re making your own harness, the main thing to get is the power wire from the alternator to the battery or starter solenoid and the smaller wires for the ignition and dash warning light. This is also where you upgrade the charging wire. Go ahead and run that new 4 gauge wire from the alternator to your solenoid or battery, depending on your setup. Put a mega fuse in line to keep everything safe in case of a short.

Once it’s all wired up, double-check your connections. Make sure everything’s tight and secure. Then reconnect your battery, fire up the truck, and check the voltage at the battery with a multimeter. You should see somewhere around 14 volts, give or take. If it’s good, you’re in business. Take a spin around the block, turn on your headlights, crank up the stereo, maybe even turn on any accessories you got, and you’ll notice everything runs smoother, especially when you’re idling. And just like that, you’ve upgraded your charging system to handle pretty much anything you can throw at it. That is until you run your huge set of off-road KC lights while you’re cranking ACDC at your 2500 watt stereo.

So there you have it, the 3G alternator swap. It’s one of those upgrades that makes a world of difference in how your truck runs, especially if you’ve got a lot of electrical demands. More power, better reliability, and less chance of ending up on the side of the road with a melted connector. If you’re thinking about tackling this job, go for it. It’s a solid weekend project that’ll pay off every time you turn the key. Guys, if you learned something today, if you enjoy the content, give me a like, give me a subscribe. I really appreciate that. I’m not trying to beg, but it really does help me out. If you have any questions, comments, concerns, gripes, internet ramblings, stick them below. Thanks again for watching, guys, and we will see you next time.

Welcome back, folks. Today we’re diving into one of the most popular upgrades for Bullnose Fords: swapping out that ancient 1G alternator for a more robust 3G. Why? Because more power, less hassle, and who doesn’t want to avoid being stuck on the roadside with a melted connector? Let’s get into it.

Why a 3G Alternator?

The stock 1G alternators on 1980 to ’86 Ford trucks were fine back in the day, pumping out a modest 65 amps. Fast forward to today, when you’ve likely added a few aftermarket accessories like new headlights, a beefed-up stereo, or maybe an electric fan. Suddenly, that old 1G feels like it’s running on fumes. Plus, the external regulators and fusible links were never robust, often leading to overheating and connector melt-downs. Enter the 3G alternator.

More Power, Better Reliability

The 3G alternator is a powerhouse upgrade from the mid-’90s. Unlike the 1G, it comes with built-in voltage regulation—goodbye, pesky external regulator. The output ranges from 90 to 130 amps, a significant jump from the old 65. This means better voltage regulation, especially at idle, so no more dimming lights or stereo cutouts when you’re stopped at a light.

How to Make the Swap

First, you’ll need to source your 3G alternator. I pulled mine from a 351 Windsor donor, but you can find these on various mid-’90s Ford models like the Mustang, Taurus, and E-Series Vans. Just be sure to grab one with the right mounting setup for your truck—pivot mount, not side mount.

Fitting and Modifications

While the 3G alternator is slightly larger, it should fit into your existing bracket with minimal hassle. If you’re running a V-belt setup, you’ll need to swap pulleys from the 1G to the 3G. Remember, a single V-belt can only handle about 100 amps, so if you’re going for the 130 amp version, consider upgrading to a serpentine belt or dual V-belt system.

Wiring Up

Say goodbye to your external voltage regulator and run a heavier gauge wire from the 3G’s charge stud to your battery or solenoid. You might need some new harnessing, but the good news is that many aftermarket kits include everything you need, including a V-belt pulley if required.

Testing the System

Once everything’s hooked up, fire up your truck and check the battery voltage with a multimeter. You’re aiming for around 14 volts. If everything checks out, hit the road and see how your newly upgraded electrical system handles the load.

Should You Go Aftermarket?

If digging through junkyards isn’t your style, aftermarket options exist. Companies like PA Performance offer brand new 3G alternators specifically for older Ford trucks. They often come with higher output ratings, like 200 amps, and include upgraded wiring for an easier install.

Wrap-Up

There you have it, the 3G alternator swap—a weekend project that offers more power, better reliability, and fewer headaches. If you enjoyed the video or found it helpful, give me a like and subscribe. If you’ve got questions or comments, leave them below. Until next time, happy wrenching!


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